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Post by Qui Chang on Sept 16, 2010 9:41:16 GMT -8
Lost my clutch at T-Hill Monday so I'm trying to get it replaced and still be able to make this weekend. If I pull it off I'll probably go out Saturday sometime to stay overnight and ride Sunday. That's the plan if everything comes together. If I can't get the bike fixed I'll be splitting my time between the air races and visiting at the track. If I get it running Myrons going down! lol  |
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2010 9:42:55 GMT -8
so we doing the 'club thing' on Sunday then? Looks like nobody will be there Saturday
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Post by dub on Sept 16, 2010 10:17:01 GMT -8
Sunday Funday.
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Post by dub on Sept 16, 2010 23:22:31 GMT -8
After chatting at BLVD tonight sounds like Saturday is going to be the day. Myron, Aaron, and Myself will be there Saturday. Chad is most likely out as is Josh.
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Post by zipbyu on Sept 17, 2010 1:43:50 GMT -8
Saterday, it is on like ping pong.
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Post by zipbyu on Sept 20, 2010 18:15:06 GMT -8
Let me say, god I love that we do track days.
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Post by Justin(o) on Sept 20, 2010 22:28:45 GMT -8
Let me say, god I love that we do track days. I'm glad we do track days, also. Was everybody OK? Maybe a 'ping pong' metaphor was a bad choice |
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Post by dub on Sept 21, 2010 11:00:03 GMT -8
afaik everyone is ok. Eddie caught a ride to the hospital (not in the amber lamps) but nothing was broken.
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Post by me on Sept 21, 2010 20:26:01 GMT -8
What are you supposed to do when you see a red and checkered flag at the same time??!! Dunno who came up with that but in all the trackdays I have done I've never seen it  |
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Post by Oneup on Sept 21, 2010 20:31:39 GMT -8
Any time you see a red flag* you throw your hand out and come to a safe and controlled stop. Doesn't matter what else is being thrown with it. The red flag means stop. Period.
*Edit: The red flag means stop with most northern California/Nevada trackday providers. There are several southern California providers that the red flag has a different meaning. It is important to go to every riders meeting and pay attention to all of the flags and their meetings. Even if you have been to a hundred meetings it is still important to attend. Sometimes things change and it is important that everyone knows what those changes are and obeys the rules set by the track controller and provider.
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Post by me on Sept 21, 2010 20:50:03 GMT -8
Well if no one ever explains the meaning of both flag, (NOT just the red), shown together, than is anybody's guess. I have been to plenty Trackdays, from Lance's to Apex, Pacific and more. Been to 40 + riders meetings and never before seen both flags shown at the same time. Also i do believe that the red flag means, like you say, hand up and stop safely, emergency on the racetrack. That is the only meaning I learned. Red flagging someone for not seeing a checkered flag is a stupid idea.
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Post by Gangplank on Sept 21, 2010 21:12:35 GMT -8
I agree it may not be a good idea to red flag someone for blowing the checker. Been there myself and missed one once. A full course yellow would do it.
That said if I saw a Red & checker together I'd be up & on the brakes a bit, hand up in an instant. It sounds like a terrible incident. I hope we can all learn from it. Hope our friends are all ok.
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Post by Oneup on Sept 21, 2010 21:19:35 GMT -8
All providers will red flag someone if they blow the checkered flag. They do this to keep someone from doing a victory lap and wasting everyone's time. It can take 4+ minutes for someone to get back around a track. It is unfair for everyone to wait for the person not paying attention to come back around.
They usually don't throw both the checkered and the red. I've seen it before, but it's the exception, not the rule. They don't explain multiple flags because you are supposed to obey each flag for their meaning. If you see a checkered that means your session is over. If you see a red that means you need to come to a safe stop on the racetrack. If you see both that means you need to stop safely on the racetrack and your session is over. Once the track is stopped the corner worker will then direct you what to do next. There are several instances where they display two flags and don't discuss multiple flags in the riders meeting. You just have to take each one for it's meaning. Some examples are:
Black and Yellow: Everyone needs to clear the track for some reason and there is something to be cautious of before the next flagger. Also there is no passing.
Yellow and Debris: You need to be cautious of something on the track and there is some sort of debris on the track before the next corner worker. Also there is no passing.
Black and Debris: There is something on track before the next corner worker and everyone needs to clear the track immediately.
There are others but it is dependent on provider and what flags they use and what meanings they have. I have been to trackdays where the red flag has the same meaning as the black flag. No one in northern California/Nevada does that but most of the southern California providers do.
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Post by Admin on Sept 21, 2010 21:27:48 GMT -8
FWIW, EVERY track day I have been to at RFR, Terry has explained the Checkered with Red flag. It means you blew the checkered and you are to come off track immediately. You are instructed to put your hand up, slow down and turn around and come back up the hot pit. It's been that way for at least 3 years. I here it LOUD AND CLEAR at Z2 trackdays, and I have heard it at every riders meeting where Terry is asked to explain the flags.
In all fairness Alberto, you work your ass off for Jerome on his trackdays so you might not have paid that close of attention to the riders meeting as you were busy elsewhere. Never seen Eddie at one either for that matter. So it would be easy to not know the meaning of that combo. But it IS described.
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Post by Oneup on Sept 21, 2010 21:41:34 GMT -8
FWIW, EVERY track day I have been to at RFR, Terry has explained the Checkered with Red flag. It means you blew the checkered and you are to come off track immediately. You are instructed to put your hand up, slow down and turn around and come back up the hot pit. It's been that way for at least 3 years. I here it LOUD AND CLEAR at Z2 trackdays, and I have heard it at every riders meeting where Terry is asked to explain the flags. I can't say I've ever heard this. It is something to look into. I see that as a safety issue. A red flag under any pretext should mean to come to a safe and controlled stop until directed by a corner worker. I know after coming to a stop the corner workers then have you turn around and come into the hot pits but I'd never want someone to do it on their own accord. Turning around on track without direction from a corner worker is asking for a situation exactly like this. Not everyone sees the red flag immediately and it is up to the flaggers to let everyone know when it is safe to proceed. I'll talk with Z2 and Keigwins and see what their take is. I see this as a huge safety issue that needs to be corrected. I do not ever want to get on track with anyone that might decide to turn around without being told it is safe to do so. If it is the norm then it needs to be changed for the safety of the riders. |
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