Putz
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Post by Putz on Feb 10, 2011 17:42:59 GMT -8
Oneup does... maybe Eddie
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Post by Oneup on Feb 10, 2011 17:57:30 GMT -8
I have the full bazzaz unit with tc, quickshifter, and auto tune. Keep in mind with auto tune you still need to tune the bike. After the parameters are set it will keep the bike running within the parameters regardless of outside elements.
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Post by Gangplank on Feb 10, 2011 21:17:51 GMT -8
So what you're saying is it won't be perfect in all environs? It will still be better than running the "stock exhaust" or "slip on" maps that come with the unit.
Just want to borrow the Z-AFM self napping unit to get a good base map for my set up.
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Post by Oneup on Feb 10, 2011 22:02:22 GMT -8
All the fi unit does is change the amount of fuel that goes into the cylinder based on a percentage of stock. These adjustments are made at a specific rpm and a specific throttle percentage. I believe the bazzaz does it in 100rpm and 5% throttle increments. You need to put the bike on a dyno to figure out what needs to be changed to make the power band better.
The self mapper doesn't give you a base map. You give it a base map and it makes sure the bike runs the same as the map you gave it. Any aftermarket fuel mapping unit won't work well unless it is tuned to the bike. Most times it will make it worse until it's properly tuned. Maps you download off the internet are rarely right for your bike.
Your best bet: spend the money and get it tuned.
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Post by Gangplank on Feb 10, 2011 22:27:25 GMT -8
Actually that is about opposite of the info I was told on the phone today and what I see on the bazzaz website & in the Z-FI Mapper software manual.
The Z-AFM Self Mapper allows you to connect the Z-AFM to the Z-FI box, plug in the o2 sensor, connect to your computer, start the engine and start teh self mapper program, take some laps at pace and then come in and connect it to the Z-FI Mapper program again and compre the current base map to the Z-AFM Self Mapping recommendation and then apply the whole map or part of the map, and/or then smooth out parts of the map or the whole map if different changes look too abrupt. Then go turn more laps and repeat the process for a few iterations.
In effect you and your laps are the dyno. You are the tuner or you can have a pro tuner review it too and/or use a dyno. You can save different maps for different tracks and reload them next time. Seems like a cool unit actually.
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Post by Gangplank on Feb 10, 2011 22:29:21 GMT -8
Anyway... once I find a Z-AFM unit I'll see how my current map looks. :-)
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Post by Oneup on Feb 10, 2011 22:37:20 GMT -8
I have a z-afm. You are right. You can do that. The question is, do you have a clue about adjusting your own maps? They are definitely useful but the unit still needs to be programmed by a pro to get the most out of it.
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Post by Oneup on Feb 10, 2011 22:40:19 GMT -8
The unit stays installed on your bike all the time. It is a system that constantly monitors and adjusts your system while you ride.
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Post by Oneup on Feb 10, 2011 22:55:55 GMT -8
Hmmm. I had been told different. Either way, it doesn't beat a professional tuner.
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Post by Oneup on Feb 10, 2011 23:05:20 GMT -8
I have the bazzaz. It was priced better and supposed to be more reliable than power commander. I've had nothing but problems with power commanders in the past.
Either way, get your bike tuned by a pro before you do anything. It is the best way to go and costs about the same as an auto tune. Some tuners are cheaper.
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Post by Gangplank on Feb 14, 2011 16:55:29 GMT -8
Ok, so now that we have firmly established that you do not need to leave the Z-AFM self mapping unit on the bike except when you are actively tuning the map...
Anyone have a Z-AFM unit I can borrow for buttonwillow?
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Post by Oneup on Feb 14, 2011 17:02:25 GMT -8
Sorry, mine is staying on my bike. I still say do yourself a favor and get it professionally done.
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dub
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Post by dub on Feb 17, 2011 0:23:58 GMT -8
This process is equivalent to getting a dyno tune. I disagree because... a professional tuner can tune your bike better than you can yourself 'nuff said. |
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Post by Justin(o) on Feb 17, 2011 0:59:12 GMT -8
Are you using system and process interchangeably, here?
It may be the same process, but it's gotta be an entirely different system. No?
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Post by Oneup on Feb 17, 2011 2:12:32 GMT -8
Professionals use a different process. The self tuner analyzes exhaust gasses. A professional also analyzes the power and torque curve. The idea of getting a bike tuned is to have the smoothest possible torque and power curve. They also take into account where the bike makes the most power. These are things that can't be done without a dyno. The self mapper is a cool feature but it won't be able to make a map that can compare to what a pro can do.
I am not going to have time to get my bike tuned before buttonwillow so as an example I'll use the self mapper at buttonwillow and ask my tuner to save a dyno printout of the map on the bike when I give it to him. I'll then show you a comparison copy of the self map and the pro map.
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